LBRP, Middle Pillar and LBRH

[Naha]

These rituals are taught in the tradition Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn

[Mia Owen]

I have a probably really silly sounding question about the visualization when you do the QC.

So I can visualize pretty good I hope but, my imagination gets over active. When I do the visual of going up and up, when is a solid stopping point for the visualization? Like if I visualize up to a bunch of galaxy clusters?

Or do you not really give yourself a “stopping point”?

What I mean by that is just letting the imagination pop in things you don’t understand past a certain point but just accept it?

Example (to hopefully make more sense):
Visualize while staying on Earth by the feet you go up past your roof, then the sky, then the moon and the solar system, galaxy level- When you get to that point call it good?
OR
If your imagination just kind of keeps going past galaxy level feeling like an elevator to some Oort cloud stuff, then just colors etc etc until your imagination can’t really throw anything more in there, would you then call that point the top connection point?
OR
Does it even particularly matter?

I was sure if you all had a Discord server or not but I feel like a baby learning how to walk again with all this so thanks for any input/direction/correction! Much love 💗

[Naha]

This is a great question!
In the visualization, the stopping point is not chosen, it is determined by how tall you are able to hold a vision of yourself in your imagination. You will reach a point where you feel your consciousness can not perceive anything vaster. It is at that point that you have grown to the height of the supernals and can send your arm (or wand) upward to reach higher than you can perceive. In this you are symbolically saying, even in my greatest vision of myself, I realize that the All is still beyond my capacity to envision. You may find that this increases over time. The order is
Terrestrial (the levels of roof, atmosphere)
Planetary (Solar System)
Celestial (Starry cosmos/Galactic)
At this point you may reach “The Abyss” on the Tree.
That is the point where you see nothing but inky blackness. Usually this is the point that I stop but I am aware of a light source above me. That is Keter. But we reach through Keter, to the veils of the Unmanifest. This is outlined in Hermetic Qabalah Level 1 – Reinitiation.
Thanks for the question!
Blessings, Naha

[Mia Owen]

That makes so much sense! I think I was forgetting I need to hold the visualization.

Thank you so much for your response and time! I look forward to taking that next class after I can do the LBRP without forgetting/messing up a step 😂

I imagined the big Light forces giggle at me today. The Fool is really vibing with me 🤣

Thank you for teaching these things and I look forward to the future classes
✨💞🙏

[Mia Owen]

After learning the LBRP and using it daily, I’ve been reading that usually you need to stick to only that for a year before studying the next steps/concepts to build on.

Is this kind of just old school and doesn’t really apply if we feel like maybe a month or two would be solid and we want to take the next baby step?

[Naha]

Hi Mia,
Wow yes I’ve seen this before too. I think there is a lot to consider here in the audience that is speaking to. In orders and Lodges, people progress at individual rates. There is so much else to consider. For instance, someone who comes into ritual magic but who has already had a yoga practice for years earlier, is in a much better place to understand ritual workings than someone who has never felt, visualized or worked with their subtle bodies before. In my opinion, the life you live up until the time you first do an LBRP is still valuable, and magical, and may have prepared you for better or worse. (Some things need to be unlearned)
Also, what constitutes studying – other rituals, reading books, trying practices? In my opinion, we shouldn’t wait to study when we feel the urge, but practice is essential, so learn, study, practice, repeat.
The point is, practicing the LBRP daily will allow you to build concentration and commitment. It’s like the chop wood/carry water part of practice. But there is a time to seize the day, and take your practice to the next level by continuing your studies. I think its a good rule of thumb to get secure and comfortable performing any ritual before moving on to the next training, but that need not take a year to complete. All in divine timing Kairos Kai Synchronia

[Mia Owen]

I really love everything you just said and appreciate the optimism as well. I’m greatly appreciative of you taking the time to answer stuff on this forum because unlearning is a big theme for me 😂 I don’t want to rush myself but, I feel like I need to catch up in a sense.

Honestly I’m very stubborn and have long looked for a concise circle to like get accurate, fundamental information on my path. Few months ago, Boom, I’m looking up Japanese tarot decks for background noise on YouTube one day. I turn to my bestie and basically I’m like, I found my Yoda.

Seriously thank you Naha. I’d say you have no idea but legit I think you do 😂✨🙏

I had to get my excitedness out. I promise to keep the rest of my posts on subject aside from that lil Aries outburst

Cheers to Divine Timing 💗

[Naha]

Thank You young jedi

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